Interview with John deCamp, former Republican State
Senator and Author of The Franklin Cover-up
The
latest developments in a high -level scandal that both major political
parties want swept under the rug were discussed on the Jan. 10 broadcast
of the SPOTLIGHT"s weekly call-in forum, Radio Free America. The guest was
former Nebraska state Sen. John DeCamp. He has spearheaded an ongoing
inquiry into the bizarre Franklin Credit Union scandal involving several
big names. The Franklin affair has tentacles spreading out in several
inflammatory directions. What follows is an edited transcript of
Valentine's interview with DeCamp. Valentine's questions are in boldface.
DeCamp's responses are in regular text.
Larry Flynt, the pornographer, exposed Rep. Bob Livingston's (R-La.)
extra-marital affairs and is threatening to expose other high ranking
Republicans. But what you're talking about here is far worse than "a
little bit of adultery," so to speak. Isn't that correct?
Oh yes. Even sinners like me tolerate a little but of adultery. This goes
way beyond that. This involves young people, even as young as eight-or
nine-years-old, and teenagers, being used in a very improper manner. My
book, in its revised edition, validates what was initially published in
the earlier edition.
Two young people claimed that they were sexually abused and used as drug
"mules" [carrying illicit drugs] and their story is central to the case
you've become involved with.
These two youngsters are the ones I mention most prominently in my book,
THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP*. Actually, there were a massive number of
youngsters involved and Omaha, Nebraska, was merely the staging and
organizing ground for the activity most of which went on in places like
Washington D.C. and elsewhere.
Isn't Omaha where Boys Town is located?
That's right. And don't misunderstand me. Boys Town is one of American's
great institutions and has done a tremendous amount of good, but like so
many things, even a rotten apple can creep in there, and in this case it
did, and young people from Boys Town were used as part of this corrupt
program.
You were just leaving the Nebraska state senate when this scandal began to
erupt.
For about a dozen of the 16 years I was a senator, I was the head of the
banking and insurance committees and had run across some of the principal
players in this scandal. I knew some of them quite well. It was right
after I left the legislature that George Bush got elected president. The
very day that Bush, was elected president was the day that the authorities
raided the Franklin Credit Union. That was the beginning of a whole series
of events relating to this affair.
Central to all of this was the use of children as drug mules and for
sexually compromising politicians and other prominent and powerful people
around the country.
As an attorney representing some of the victims in the case, you have seen
photographs and other evidence. You have recognized some pretty prominent
faces in these photographs. Is it fair to say that there is a sexual
blackmail gridlock in Washington today?
It's gridlock by sexual blackmail. That's what's going on between the
Republicans and the Democrats right now. It's absolutely tragic.
So neither party has a monopoly on this?
That's right. In my book, I describe how I was at the Republican National
Convention in Dallas and a lot of these young people, who were victims,
were there at the same time. I didn't have any idea what was going on back
then.
Who are the two victims that you represent?
Paul Bonacci is one and a little girl named Alicia Owen is another. Alicia
stuck to her guns and wouldn't back down, even though a lot of the other
kids either disappeared or are dead. She told her story. They had a big
trial before I became her attorney. They convicted her of lying--perjury.
And that's kind of interesting, isn't it. She had been telling what I
believe are accurate and detailed stories of how she participated in
forced sexual activities with people, enforcement or politicians--you name it. She got a
15-year sentence for perjury and she's still in prison.
This girl never went out looking for somebody to tell her story to.
Somebody got her name and went to see her and offered her immunity. Alicia
was told that if she didn't tell what happened that she would really be in
deep trouble. So she told it all and the next thing she knew, she was the
one being charged.
There was a private investigator involved in this case who died
mysteriously.
Gary Caridori was killed the night before he was supposed to testify.
Officially it is "unknown" how he died. But he was flying back from
Chicago in his private plane and the plane blew up and fell apart. He was
a meticulous, careful pilot. He and his little boy were killed.
Officially, it's still undetermined. But there are actually about 15 to
30 strange deaths linked to this case.
During this case, the children all described a photographer named Rusty
Nelson.
That's right. According to the children, Nelson was always there at the
big parties where the politicians were. He was a private photographer who
was always in the company of the central figure in this scandal, Larry
King. [King is in prison on financial charges for looting the Franklin
Credit Union, but he was never charged for the sex-and-drugs related
stories told by these children.]
Yet, despite all these claims by the children, the prosecutors and the
political establishment claimed that Rusty Nelson didn't exist.
The official report said that Nelson didn't exist. In fact, the former
Omaha police chief said that the only Rusty Nelson he knew of was a very respectable
photographer in Omaha and that he didn't know him. But Nelson had
disappeared and no one could reach him, so they never pursued that.
However, after this affair dragged on for years, I got a call one day out
of the blue from a law enforcement officer in Oregon. He said that they
had arrested this man and had seized over 20,000 pictures and documents.
One thing they noted was that he had a copy of my book. Looking through
the book they found things underlined about "Rusty Nelson." And that's how
they called me and they wanted to find out more.
This man they had arrested was Rusty Nelson and he had been picked up on
Oregon for pornography involving children. I asked if I could come out and
see him and they said I could. I flew out to Oregon and he had a defense
attorney who had, remarkably enough, come in off the street and agreed to
represent him.
However, when that attorney found out that I was trying to see Nelson, a
big commotion broke loose and they tried to keep me from getting to see
him. However, Rusty Nelson wanted to see me and I got to talk to him
privately. He told me everything and confirmed that the pictures that he
had confirmed everything I had written in the book and a lot more.
The pictures had been seized and my goal was to get those pictures and his
testimony. Then began the most bizarre tale of difficulty ever. Rusty was
willing to cooperate all the way. He said he was tired of running. He had
been told in Omaha to "get out of town." Who told him to get out of town?
It was the FBI. They told him he would be a lot safer if he just got out
of town and disappeared, so that nobody would ever hear of him again.
The next thing I knew was that after I met with the prosecutor and the
judge, the judge ordered the pictures held and not destroyed so they could
be used as evidence. Rusty disappeared. Rusty was carted off to the nut
house. That took a full year and two months and the psychiatrist involved
there, an honest, respectable person, believed Rust's story and she
finally got him out of there. Then, we finally had Rusty back in court and
finally we got him back out on the street. But when I tried to get hold of
his pictures as evidence, I started running into problems.
I had a hearing set up here in Nebraska on Dec. 9. Paul Bonacci had filed
a civil suit against Larry King and we won this case. We were going to
have this hearing for damages and we needed Rusty Nelson and his pictures.
But a week before the hearing was scheduled, Rusty was arrested for
driving with a tail light out. And the first thing they do is start
talking about the Nebraska case and all the dead people there. And Rusty
disappeared for weeks. So I got the hearing postponed for Feb.5. Rusty is
being held in solitary confinement and I'm working to get him out.
This is America, isn't it?
That's what I used to say. My best friend, my advisor, who made me write
this book, Bill Colby, the former director of the CIA and U.S. ambassador
to Vietnam (and secretly the head of the CIA over there at the time), was
involved with me in trying to expose this and to get it all out in the
open. He told me, initially, "You should get out and stay out. This will
get you killed." But he did say, "If you do want to do something, then
write the book and that will at least get the story out protects you." So
that's why I wrote the book.
But Bill, of course, was found floating dead. I think the last years of
his life were dedicated, based on what he had told me, to undoing some of
the things that this government (and he, through the CIA) had participated
in. He said to me, "Your country is gone when you have these secret
organizations that are no longer accountable to the people or even to the
Congress and they've become a government unto themselves."
What's going to happen with Rusty Nelson?
We're continuing to work on this but the problem is that there is so much
secrecy involved. The other lawyers took videotaped depositions of Paul
Bionic. It's interesting that those videotapes can't be shown. I wanted
the depositions videotaped. They still objected and they won. Yet, two
days into the depositions they decided they wanted to videotape Paul.
Paul's mind was really screwed up by everything he went through and he has
multiple personalities.
That's right, and although I know that this sounds bizarre to a lot of
people, Paul was part of one of these CIA mind control operations that we
have heard about--they like to use young children who are easily
influenced--and it seems that the other side was interested in finking out
how much Paul actually remembered. Paul said that he didn't have multiple
personalities and that he was cured, but two days into the depositions he
went into one of these other personalities. This stunned everybody. Now
the videotapes are sealed.
The powers-that-be must be watching this case with great trepidation.
I've become a cynic. There are enough people with something at stake in
this, and there are no rules as to how far they can go to stop this from
going any further.
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