The Sheeple Analyst: Conversations on the Tutti-Fruiti Express
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Mr.Sheeple sent THIS link about the IMF Researchers US Budget Gaps Endanger Global Economy Just thought I would save you the time of sending this to me. It popped up a while ago. Kinda scary. Sheeple Analyst: Naaah, it's
Clinton's fault! And the Democrats'. Yep. I wasn't going to bother
sending it to you. I knew your answer. Or at least thought I
would. Changed your mind? Mr. Sheeple: No, I attribute the problem to Bush and the Republican congress for their prolifigate deficit spending. As I told you, I am not a dedicated follower of Bush and support him no matter what. He was a better alternative in 2000 than with Al Gore and the spend and tax Democrats. Sheeple Analyst: Spend and Tax
Democrats are pikers compared to the Spend and Tax Cut GOP when it
comes to wrecking a national and global economy. But THAT's their
purpose. When economies go belly up, the Illuminati profit. That's
the purpose of business "cycles." They are manipulated to make
someone very rich. And they have gotten richer and richer and
political party has little to do with it. Mr. Sheeple: Guess my subconscious mind finally overcame the conscious mind. Mr. Sheeple
wrote: Suspect shells examined in Iraq Sheeple Analyst: You silly! Anyone
half way familiar with the "alternative" sites knows that much of
their information comes from establishment sites. I've told you
that before but you seem to have forgotten that. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: The Danes, British and
the former Iraqi colonel have confirmed that more than 200
artillery shells contained blister gas as a weapon of mass
destruction. The U.S. WMD seekers have yet to "confirm" it, but
that appears to be a matter of formailtiy. I sent the story about
the Army colonel, but you ridiculed it. I figured that eventually
they would be found because the U.N., Clinton and many others, who
since have scoffed at the idea of WMD in Iraq, proclaimed their
existence. RHb Sheeple Analyst: Do I have to repeat myself? Some of the shells were already leaking. The Danes estimated that these munitions were about ten years old. Leaking blister gas artillery shells can hardly be considered WMD because they were dangerous to handle and unusable.
All of these
represent a chain of lies, more lies and damn lies. So far this
discovery is ridiculous because the munitions were too dangerous
for ANYONE including the Iraqis. Disposal of such weapons can be
expensive and why not just bury them in the desert. But you have
quite a track record of believing every WMD lie that's come along.
Why should this be much different. So far I am 9 for 9 and this
might make it 10 for 10. You either don't mind being lied to or
you desperately need to prove yourself right despite the facts.
And prove that you don't read since I answered this yesterday. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: So that information overload would not scramble your mind and
thinking processes, consider the following: Sheeple Analyst: All this because you can't tell the difference between a question and a declarative sentence. Gad. And you're still off the track from the initial issue I presented you, trying to prove something which I have myself advocated, especially for you: an rigorous academic education for all career paths. But you're still way far afield from the initial issue presented. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: I sent you that to illustrate the point that an academic education is also essential to acquire skills and knowledge just as it is required for college. But in your "sheeple analyst" you questioned my premise and suggested a "focus: either an academic high school education for all or machining skills", indicating you had no concept of what I was trying to get across. Sheeple Analyst: I didn't question your premise just suggested that you address mine. You have still avoided doing so. YOU chose to represent my words as a disagreement when I was trying to keep the issue in focus. The focus with which I had begun that thread was NOT about industrial and vocational education although you have insisted it be so. In fact, I have been arguing for a rigorous education for ALL career paths whereas you were just focused on one career path. My premise predates our conversation but it strengthened by it. You have demonstrated the need for a rigorous academic education by your lack of an understanding of history, your lack of understanding of logic, your inability to operate objectively and honestly and even your willingness to hold judgment aside while you investigate new information as it becomes available. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: Ranken Technical college academic course requirements for precision machining and other courses": College Composition I; College Composition II; Oral Communications; Principles of Sociology; Elementary/intermediate Algebra; Conceptual Physics; Computer Literacy; Introduction to Business or Principles of Management; Technical communications; computer literacy" The above are from their course catalog which I requested via email for reference purposes and arrived yesterday in the mail. They are basic to all the courses, whether auto repair, auto body repair, welding, etc Sheeple Analyst: So? I have never said that an academic education is not essential for all career paths. I even have recommended that you work on your grasp of history so that you can understand the patterns of today. Here you go huffing and puffing around the same little train track and I've repeatedly reminded you that there is no disagreement with providing an academic education for all career paths. You need remedial reading and logic courses, too and a little brush up on punctuation so you can recognize the significance of a question mark. That's one of these little squiggly things (?).It means that the writer is asking a question. Mr. Sheeple@f............. wrote: But, in your "sheeple analyst" item on your website, you suggested that I "focus", either an academic education or machining skills Sheeple Analyst: No, I was simply asking you to focus for the purpose of discussion on the issue of ALL careers and jobs in examining the root causes for the outsourcing and not diving into another repeat of "your educational reform effort." The focus was on all of the jobs and careers being outsourced, not just machinists and tool and die. I asked you to bring your focus BACK to the unanswered assertion that the educational preparation was not alone the cause of the outsourcing as you have contended, but a bidding war for the jobs initiated by the corporations and assisted by governmental regulations. From this attempt to get you to answer to this assertion of first cause you have regardless jumped on your circuitous choo-choo and trundled around the same track endlessly over a horrendously misreading of a sentence, transforming it into a statement of my position and avoiding returning to the original focus. That this has gone on so long is merely due to my curiosity at how long you can keep up this charade instead coming back to the point I raised and deal with it. And it also is an awesome demonstration of the sheeple mind, a proof of your premise. You could just respond to the original issue I raised, you know. Alright, then why in hell did you send me a verbose email alleging that I had claimed you were advocating machin skills training when all I was saying that an academic education is the basis for getting the skills and knowledge? Why have you been so persistent in twisting what I have said and inventing positions I have not taken? I apologize for using too many words for you but they were all carefully chosen to convey a message you obviously have not had the will or capacity to assimilate. As for verbose, that was my reason for trying to get you to answer to my assertion in the first place: I wasn't willing to go into CNC and dig around in machine programming texts to satisfy your need to tread on familiar territory. Address the issue I brought to you without derailing the discussion into the comfortable specific minutiae. I offered a general premise that we both agreed on but you left the track. Fortunately, you can go back and see where this discussion started and where you took it. Then you will see the meaning of the web page. Mr. Sheeple: The only reason I sent that was to illustrate the point that an academic education is required even for students attending a technical school.
No, that point had already been covered in my
alternative to the specific to apply your premise in the general.
YOU wished to dig in the minutiae of your field and cover for your
inability or unwillingness to prepare a studied response AND to
create for me a false position so you could knock it down. That
was arrogant, impudent, and dishonest. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: My focus is on the need for an academic education for all students, whether attending college or entering a vocational and technical school. How much clearer can I make it? Perhaps you should spend more time comprehending the points being communicated and less time analyzing to find fault. After all this time, you have just re-stated my position that I have held for a very long time. Perhaps you should spend more time reading my words than making up stories about what I said. How much clearer can I make it. Your statement: Perhaps you should spend more time comprehending the points being communicated and less time analyzing to find fault." is clearly a projection of your erratic performance since your inability to comprehend my initial statements, which were totally misconstrued, misrepresented, and misunderstood. Such dishonest responses have been described by me constantly in the past week and you now have the impudence, arrogance, and ill manners to point at me doing what you have been doing incessantly. The record clearly shows who is not comprehending, who is making up stories, and who cannot make a simple clear response to my assertion that is supported by current facts. The BIDDING WAR BY CORPORATIONS AIDED AND ABETTED BY GOVERNMENT IS THE PRIMARY FACTOR IN THE LOSS OF AMERICAN JOBS TO OUTSOURCING OVERSEAS. You got off on this tangent by finding fault with a statement that you totally missed comprehending. Then you can stop projecting YOUR behaviors on ME. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: Yes, all jobs are being outsourced. I mentioned machining technology because all the equipment, including "high tech" electronics cannot exist unless assembled from precision components that must be fabricated from raw materials. Nothing suddenly materializes on a retail or warehouse shelf. Manufacturing is the foundation via machining components, producing tooling and dies and plastic molds etc. Except in your narrow mind, this is not a single concept issue. Sheeple Analyst: You still have not acknowledged the premise I originally submitted a week ago. You've been talking around it ever since. Here it is again. THE BIDDING WAR BY CORPORATIONS AIDED AND ABETTED BY GOVERNMENT IS THE PRIMARY FACTOR IN THE LOSS OF AMERICAN JOBS TO OUTSOURCING OVERSEAS BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF ACADEMIC EDUCATION RECEIVED HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS TO FOREIGN WORKERS. What is so narrow about '"academic education for ALL career paths" and what is so broad about a focus on machining technology to the exclusion of other fields. Without communications technology those machine tools cannot function, receive orders, send orders, or keep the lights on. Those precision components cannot exist unless imagined, designed, developed by technical engineers. Those plastic materials cannot exist unless developed by industrial polymer chemists. The petroleum used as the chemical feedstock for the plastics industry could not exist without the geologists and petroleum chemists. No industry can exist independent of ALL the others. So what's so narrow about ALL industries? Focus on only one industry at the expense of understanding the broad picture of ALL industries functioning interdependently is the narrow concept. So you can choose to keep a narrow focus or broaden your focus to get the big picture. Or not. It takes considerable ignorance or foolishness to suppose that a focus on machining technology or even manufacturing is the broader focus and that a focus on ALL industries functioning interdependently is the narrow concept. Truly amazing! I couldn't imagine to even make up such statements if I were to write a book on Sheeple. I learn something new each day. Thanks. Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote: Don't be such an obstinate and arrogant ass! You are the one who fails to comprehend the point I am trying to make. I have not been "running off in tangents and failing to focus" because it is you who fail to comprehend what I lay out in simple terms" AN ACADEMIC HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION IS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, AN ESSENTIAL PREREQUISITE FOR STUDENTS ATTENDING A VOCATIONAL AND TECHNICAL POST-SECONDARY SCHOOL AS IT IS FOR COLLEGE! That always has been, and is the focus. But as a "sheeple" yourself, being led around by the nose by academic ideals lacking common sense knowledge and experience in manufacturing, you cannot comprehend my simple statement, then accuse me of not having focus when it is you that lacks the focus! Sheeple Analyst: All you have to do is cool down and take an objective look at what I have written, repeating and repeating that I have never disagreed with that premise. In fact, you have seen me advocating it for two years. In case you hadn't noticed, academic education involves history, logic, physics, chemistry, mathematics, spelling, grammar, punctuation, and composition. I've advocated the use of these disciplines in all the emails in which we have discussed 9-11, history of Pearl Harbor, history of the Illuminati, physics of falling, physics of heat distribution, chemistry of combustion, calculations of acceleration. I hope you get the picture. You have repeatedly misread my use of "focus" as referring to your "educational reform effort" I have only referred to "focus" in regard to the thread of discussion I had initiated about the cause behind job outsourcing. I was just trying to get you back to the First Cause I had discovered to explain foreign outsourcing of American jobs and you proceeded to invent things. All you have to do is stop acting out of anger and look at the record. No matter how many times I have tried to correct your misunderstanding you have obstinately persisted in a diatribe about "your focus." Obstinate? YOU are the one who has stubbornly refused to respond to the initial issue I presented in this thread and instead of just going along with your re-focusing, I chose to see what it would take to get you to face an issue instead of run away from it. This display of obstinacy has been a marvel to watch. Arrogant? YOU are the one who has arrogantly invented a position for me out of an apparent inability to recognize the meaning of a question mark and the word, "or." I chose to follow this tirade to see if I could help you discover how you had created this "legend in your own mind?" Creating positions for others without substantiation is character assassination and slander. There is nothing much more arrogant than that. Ass? Well, the record will speak for itself. Sheeple Analyst sent this: White House seeks control on health, safety Centralizing of such
power in the Federal Government and especially the Executive
Branch is not a principle that most conservatives would accept and
shows a pattern of development of a dictatorship by Bush and the
neoconservatives. Mr. Sheeple: Above is your comment from your email giving the URL. I clicked on it and read the story. I cut and pasted below some key paragraphs indicating that Federal agencies have until Thursday to submit comment concerning stripping power from federal authorities, not give it to them to create the dictatorship you imagine! The scientific community apparently wants to submit information to a peer review rather than have the federal government go off half cocked, as listed in examples toward the end of the story. The move is to decentralize, rather than centralize, power. Sheeple Analyst: It certainly would be helpful if you read more carefully. Here is the part I was referring to:
"Under a new proposal, the
White House would decide what and when the public would be told
about an outbreak of mad cow disease, an anthrax release, a
nuclear plant accident or any other crisis." There is no mistaking what this report means: control of information flow. Free flow of information is the life blood of freedom.. Then the report went on to another related issue. Here is the point at which the reporting diverged to report about peer review, a secondary issue. It said: "The OMB also wants to manage scientific and technical evaluations - known as peer reviews - of all major government rules, plans, proposed regulations and pronouncements." (My emphasis just so you wouldn't miss it the second time.) Careless, haphazard reading can be very hazardous to getting the story straight. That's why you seldom get the story straight. That's how most sheeple do it. So there you go again, going off half-cocked with a skewed understanding of what was reported. Furthermore, submitting studies to OMB for "peer review" is not decentralization. Sheeple Analyst sent an article about the current scene in Iraq with the comment: "Yep, things is just peachy keen in I-Rack." Mr. Sheeple: Allen, your comment above surprises me. I thought you were more educated and intelligent than that! No wonder you have had problems over the last few days understanding my emails concerning an academic high school education for people getting professional college degrees in mechanical, petroleum, design and other engineering along with educated people with skills and knowledge in machining, moldmaking, tool and die making and other skills to bring engineer's design ideas into reality. I noted that in response to previous emails. In March of 2003, the Colorado Commission on Higher Education conducted a surprising survey that confirmed my suspicions. It revealed that 1 out of 4 high school graduates, as products of the academic college prepration program, required high school remedial work as college freshmen! In the 2000 legislative session, the legislature passed HB 1464 requiring college freshmen needing remedial work obtain the remedial work in the community colleges because it was becoming too much of a burden for four-year colleges to alleviate the problems created by high schools. If graduates of the college preparation program are that bad off academically, students not considered "college material" entering the vocational technical schools must really be bad off when faced with reading and math. As a result, the Community college system must also do remedial work for high school graduates when they enrolled in vocational and technical programs. In fact, I will have a talk with the student Dean at Front Range in a couple fo days to discuss the problem. Perhaps part of the remedial work for college freshmen includes reading. Page 110 of the North Campus course catalog offers the following reading programs: REA 030 Basic Reading; REA 060 Reading fundamentals; REA 090 College prep reading! The first two are supposed to be addressed in elementary schools. But if high school graduate sof the college preparation track require remedial reading, that indicates a real problem. Also, in regard to the previous two emails regarding an academic education for students entering college AND for gaining skills in a vocational and technical school (technical schools often cover electronics such as computer repair for business and industry, I have done some research some time ago. I learned that professors in the Teachers College of Columbia University in New York, and the Teacher's college of the University of Minnesota are among two of many others who have realized that it has been a mistake to eliminate an academic high school education for students entering vocational schools in the nation. This concept is endorsed by machinetool suppliers, manufacturers, and others with whom I have discussed the problem. If interested, will send you the information and/or urls. I don't want to bombard you with too much to absorbe. Sheeple Analyst: I noticed you can't
handle humor, either. And trying to see just how sheeple function
can be a real drag on the attitude, sometimes. So a little levity
is necessary for a morale boost. * Your element of history in a past email mentioned Cheney's alleged penis and Robert Byrd's allegedly small one, along with other items apparently tintillating to you was of little interest to me and no relevance to government. You seemed so energized when declaring the moral bankruptcy of Clinton for playing lollipop with Monica. So why wouldn't I suspect I could get your attention by pandering to your level of political interest. It's relevance is "how I would know that." I know that from the personal testimony of Cathy O'Brien, a Project "Monarch" Presidential sex slave. Project Monarch is a CIA mind control project that utilizes your simplistic concept of the mind to use trauma to program children and adults to split their personalities and program them to accept abuse, torture and amoral acts. Byrd was Cathy's first high level handler and later she had much "contact" with Cheney. Now Clinton was quite a different story for you. Mr. Sheeple: **In past discussions on the WTC, I specifically stated that structural steel loses its structural integrity (ability to bear a load) when heated to around 1,500 degees F. You angrily (could tell by the tone of the writing) shot back an email declaring that the fire in the towers was not hot enough to melt steel. But, I never said melted because I know more about steel due to experience and knowledge in industry than do you! I know that steel melts at 3,400 degrees and requires a special melting furnace with controlled forced air draft and coke (baked coal) in an open hearth furnace or an electric arc of around 12,000 volts in an electric furnace. Sheeple Analyst: Another legend in your own mind. I "shot back" an explanation that the temperature in the towers couldn't even approach the lowest temperature for the loss of integrity of steel. YOU see what you wish to see when your ego-mind gets blind with rage and goes "creative." I still have most of that archived, over a hundred emails. Should be interesting seeing it again, huh? Mr. Sheeple: Sheeple Analyst: The Liberty Think
article published January 27, 2004 QUOTED a Boston Globe article
from June 20, 2003. You can identify the quote by the typical
indentation. That's how they do things, you know. (?) So how would
the Boston Globe of June last year be quoting itself from an
article in which it was included this year? Are you caught in a
time warp? . The Democratic
leadership gave Kerry chairmanship of the Subcommittee on
Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations and a charter
to dig into the contra-drug connection. . . . The subcommittee
published a report in 1989 that concluded the CIA and other US
agencies had turned a blind eye to drug trafficking occurring on
the fringes of the contra network. In many cases, traffickers were
using the same airplanes, airfields, and other resources that the
contras were using. Former Air Force
intelligence officer Terry Reed says in his book, Compromised:
Clinton, Bush, and the CIA, that he saw Brenneke at the Mena
airport in Arkansas, describing him as "the person responsible for
the skid-mounted cargo that was off-loaded into another Rich
Mountain [Aviation] hangar." [p. 87].
January
28, 2004 But they DID say "immediate," " mortal," " urgent" and confirmed that this meant "imminent." That's how the liars
squirm and wiggle to slither away from their lies. "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves." -- Dresden James
Sheeple Analyst sent: Soldier for the Truth: An eyewitness to treason.
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13/news-cooper.php Though a lifelong conservative, Kwiatkowski found herself appalled as the radical wing of the Bush administration, including her superiors in the Pentagon planning department, bulldozed internal dissent, overlooked its own intelligence and relentlessly pushed for confrontation with Iraq.
Mr.
Sheeple:
Now, do not take her perceptions on
face value and again come to a naive assumption as per the Pentagon
aircraft vs missile (Knowing the comraderie of the military units, it is
highly unlikely that a missle could have been sent against the Pentagon,
with flight 77 as a diversion with out someone with a conscience "blowing
the whistle" or someone engaged in careless talk in a social situation
making offhand comments) of 9-11! Unfortunately, too many people who lack
military knowledge and experience lack the basics of the circumstances.
Sheeple Analyst:
Did you even read this?
Here is a person in a sensitive position in the Pentagon, an experienced
and dedicated military officer, a conservative and a Republican. You
expect her to be a model railroader, too! You wonder how a conspiracy
could be so large and yet no one with a conscience blows a whistle on the
scandalous, treasonous scum. Well, here she is and what do YOU do with
this information. Like a cat in the kittypan, covering up the shit.
"You gave your life
to the military, you voted Republican for many years, you say you served
in the Pentagon right up to the outbreak of war. What does it feel like to
be out now, publicly denouncing your old bosses? and spell comraderie correctly....camaraderie
Sheeple Analyst: My cause?
It's YOUR cause but you're too busy bolstering your wounded ego, spouting
unsubstantiated nonsense as though it had any basis in reality, and
claiming to be an intelligent adult. I'm not in an election campaign to
garner votes for a cause. You either wake up in time to save your butt or
you don't. That's up to you. It has not mattered whether I have said it
nicely, seriously or straight: you either don't read it, misconstrue its
meaning, or find some sidetrack to dodge the issue. At this point, I'm
probing to find out if there is any gray matter alive enough to save
itself. If I hadn't decided to use the opportunity to learn about how
sheeple think, I wouldn't have come this far with you. I just marvel at
the way you try to avoid your natural responsibility as a man, a husband,
a father and now a grandfather.
If you can't take a dose of honesty now and
then, I understand. It is a foreign and bitter experience for sheeple. The
custodial engineers are, after all, janitors, no matter the ego-salvaging
in the official title. And yet that is a worthy and valued job. But
"engineer" is pushing it a bit. So a "communications specialist" is a
title for your own needs to save face because you apparently don't think
it was much of a job or think others wouldn't think it is much of a job.
The problem when you start that puffery is that it attempts to put you on
the same level of national security clearance as Karen Kwiatkowski you
lift the nose of feigned superiority and cast judgments about her role
without even reading the article. Then it's time for a reality check. You
got that from me and you don't like it. That's too bad. You deserved it.
Arrogance and ignorance are not a good combination and when they do get
together the issue of that marriage is deformed and dangerous.
Mr. Sheeple:
Alright, in a few clear paragraphs not full of
bitter rhetoric, place in simple terms that which you think I should do to
"save my butt"? I have never made any verbal assault on your character.
All I did was question your concepts. Sheeple Analyst: Look how you search for corroborating evidence and ignore all the associated data that not only does NOT corroborate your dogma but shreds it. Little wonder you will be one of the last sheeple believing that there really were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. You are self-blinding. In case you ever again wonder how a huge conspiracy can go on without the word getting out, look to your own reaction. The word IS getting out but self-censoring sheeple cannot see it. It is hidden in plain sight.
By your ACTIONS you are uncivil and
impolite. When I try to be polite and civil you don't read what I write,
you misconstrue what I write, or you refuse to face the issues that I
present. So what value is there in being polite and civil to you when it
has never worked on you? The only choice is to go the other way to shock
or prod you into noticing the 200 million pound gorilla.
Mr.
Sheeple:
Your attached information
supports my contention since 9-11 occurred, based on my "mechanical"
knowledge and experience. As you may (or may not) recall our exchange of
emails concerning the 9-11 situation, it was my hypothesis, based on the
intensity of the fire and my knowledge of the reaction of aluminum to
intense heat (melts at 1,200 degrees F) that few or no plane remnants
would be found because consumed. Especially aircraft components
manufactured/machined out of magnesium which can suddenly erupt in
machining if allowed to get too hot. I was not aware, however, of the
chemical situation. I was aware, from teaching foundery aluminim casting
and mold making principles in high school that immersing the hot casting
in water to cool it quickly results and a violent reaction that is not
common with dousing steel in water. Sheeple Analyst: Well you jumped on that one blindly again. Read it more carefully. It requires a DU hollow ballistic charge to provide the temperatures to melt this mass of aluminum SO THAT the water would have this effect. Notice that aluminum and water DO NOT cause a fire but that molten aluminum and water WILL. The melting point of aluminum is 660.37º C or 1220º F Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:(1) CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O (2) CnH2n+2 + (2n+1)/2 O2 => n CO + (n + 1) H2O (3) CnH2n+2 + (n+1)/2 O2 => n C + (n + 1) H2O Reaction (1) only occurs when jet fuel is well mixed with air before being burnt, as for example, in jet engines. Reactions (2) and (3) occur when a pool of jet fuel burns. When reaction (3) occurs the carbon formed shows up as soot in the flame. This makes the smoke very dark. In the aircraft crashes at the Pentagon the collision would have mixed the fuel with the limited amount of air available within the building, quite well, but the combustion would still have been mainly a combination of reactions (2) and (3) as the quantity of oxygen was quite restricted. Since we do not know the exact quantities of oxygen available to the fire, we will assume that the combustion was perfectly efficient, that is, the entire quantity of jet fuel burnt via reaction (1), even though we know that this was not so. This generous assumption will give a temperature that we know will be higher than the actual temperature of the fire attributable to the jet fuel. In a calculation for the WTC it was determined that after accounting for the influence of the atmospheric nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and building elements such as steel and concrete, which would all absorb many calories of heat, that the temperature of the exploding jet fuel by itself under conditions that could yield the highest heat production would have raised the temperature at the crash site to a maximum of 280° C (536° F) well short of the melting point of aluminum, 660.37º C or 1220º F /jet-fuel-WTC.htm Kerosene even in an enclosed chamber supplied with air adequate to burn all of the hydrocarbonscannot cannot obtain the temperature needed to melt aluminum even though there is abundant oxygen forced into the chamber. In an open chamber with limited oxygen inputs there is no possibility that the temperature would even come close to the melting point of aluminum. Without molten aluminum to be ignited, there is no fireworks as you supposed. So to accept the igniting of the aluminum you must also accept the presence of an unusual type of bomb that without being noticed could be readily mounted in the baggage compartment of a passenger 757 flying out of Dulles and is not the type of munitions technology generally available to cave dwellers in Afghanistan or readily transported without notice and security clearances. Get the picture? You might say that your presumption of victory is a pyrrhic victory. This hollow charge, depleted uranium, Broach technology is shown on my website at /Politics%20and%20History/Missile-Not-Flight-77.html This bomb technology accounts for the penetration effects and the exit opening inside the courtyard after penetrating 6 walls at the Pentagon as shown at the same web page.The technology to accomplish the Pentagon attack parameters cannot be available or applicable unless by collusion with insiders in the US Government. This process of inquiry and knowledge has been around for a long time and I wished for you to know how a scientific inquiry goes on. You've totally missed it because you're so dead set on proving yourself right instead of discerning what really happened. That is NOT the appropriate attitude in a scientific inquiry. Even if you do not have a scientific attitude, there is also the attitude of thoroughness and careful reading of the scientific work so that you grasp the entire package, not a sliver of information out of context. Getting hot to trot out the sliver, you missed the whole point. And in support of that analysis you have indicted the Bush Administration on the basis of opportunity and means. Motivation is the only remaining piece and one only needs to see who benefited by this chicanery. Putting those together you have an indictment of mass murder, malfeasance, and treason. Finito. As for the Illuminati presentation by William Henry, you fall face down in the propaganda that has been used by the Illuminati for centuries. One does not become enlightened by their self-description. A great guy from the past had this word of warning: "By their fruits you will know them." So if you don't mind that their form of enlightenment is to light up torches made of people at their celebrations, you've got yourself another winner. Another pyrrhic victory or in this case a pyro victory. You, too, can be enlightened....with a match. Let me know if you get this far. You didn't let me know. Mr. Sheeple: In my
response, I was referring to melted aluminum, but I guess I failed to
make that clear, because an aluminum pan can be used over an open fire
provided there is water in it to dissipate the heat. yes, I did state
that aluminum melts around 1200 degrees F. Sheeple Analyst: Of
course you didn't make that clear. You didn't communicate with
precision. It also Mr. Sheeple: Apparently, you have not paid attention to video news coverage of major aircraft crashes where an intense fire fueled by jet fuel consumed an entire aluminum aircraft, in the open air, to leave very little left Sheeple Analyst: Show me that proof. Eschewing speculation you come up with some humdingers! Imagine burning up the cookie sheet as it sails through the air so that it never lands! But we need to provide jet fuel to get it hot enough that aluminum will combust. Maybe you could put some kerosene in an aluminum beer can, mount a firecracker on it, light it and throw it up in the air as high as you can and see what happens. You can check out your silly speculation/hypothesis quite easily and report back your results. If you have success in igniting the flying beer can and making it disappear, I can repeat the experiment to verify that it works. Mr. Sheeple quotes me: "Kerosene even in an enclosed chamber supplied with air adequate to burn all of the hydrocarbonscannot cannot obtain the temperature needed to melt aluminum even though there is abundant oxygen forced into the chamber. In an open chamber with limited oxygen inputs there is no possibility that the temperature would even come close to the melting point of aluminum. Without molten aluminum to be ignited, there is no fireworks as you supposed. "So to accept the igniting of the aluminum you must also accept the presence of an unusual type of bomb that without being noticed could be readily mounted in the baggage compartment of a passenger 757 flying out of Dulles and is not the type of munitions technology generally available to cave dwellers in Afghanistan or readily transported without notice and security clearances. Get the picture? You might say that your presumption of victory is a pyrrhic victory." Mr. Sheeple: Yes, "could" be mounted in the baggage compartment. But no proof that one was mounted. So, that is merely speculation to support a conspiracy theory that has yet to be proven. It is that type of speculative theory than can easily be mistaken for the fact and absolute truth by others. Sheeple Analyst: You are totally clueless about the making of an hypothesis as part of the process of scientific inquiry. Just speculation, you squirm. MY statement was not a speculation to support a conspiracy theory de novo but to point to a serious flaw in YOUR conspiracy theory. YOU SPECULATE that the aluminum in all these aircraft ignited and made them disappear. I reconnect you with reality. YOU ARE FANTASIZING that jet fuel can reach temperatures that only are possible when pure oxygen is injected into an enclosed chamber and burn perfectly without heat being drained away by elements in the chamber. Just because YOU think it doesn't make it so. You also dissect the phrase out of context as I posit a connection between the ignition of aluminum and a mode of ignition. You have honesty hoops to jump through before you can make such wild speculations. Mr. Sheeple: The whole conspiracy concept regarding 9-11, is suspect to me for the simple fact that it would involved "a cast of hundreds if not thousands". Greater the number of people "in the know" regarding a conspiracy, greater the chance of individuals inadvertantly blurting out some information to give it away. Or, someone with a conscience having second thoughts. Sheeple Analyst: Karen Kwiatkowski was in a position to know, with credentials professionally and politically in your camp, and you scoff and dismiss her whistle blowing. Little wonder these conspiracies can go on and on because sheeple like you refuse to listen to the truth tellers when it doesn't fit your political view of how you would like the world to be. You lean on the 200 million pound gorilla and scoff that nothing so big could be hidden in plain sight. As for dumbos "inadvertently blurting out," I've already told you about that but you don't read, so here it goes again: Before co-conspirators are brought into the "conspiracy" they are probably thoroughly checked out and have a track-record of reliability. This is how Freemasons rise to the higher degrees. Only people with extraordinary amorality and competence at doing evil things are admitted to the inner circle. Or there is sufficient fear instilled to prevent whistle blowing. Or there is enough social and political control, of media, government, law enforcement, courts, of the sheeple, that even if they did blow the whistle their programming would not permit them to listen or to act on the information. You are proof of that. Mr. Sheeple: I again bring up that latest item concerning WTC7 when you sent that to me as "proof" that an explosives conspiracy was involved in the WTC situation. But when I pointed out the fallacy of the premise, you claimed you had "realized" the fallacy after you sent it, you either a) yourself failed to read, think about and comprehend the information, or b) my response pointing out the fallacy made your realize that you goofed. Sheeple Analyst: You goof on a regular basis as a permanent affliction but you're too dishonest to ever admit it even to yourself. Mistakes can be made but they can be rectified. You have rarely ever even responded to the reality checks I send you. You just create a brushfire as a distraction.: You have to read Karen Kwiatkowski's book before you can make a determination. What are the chances that you would EVER act on that by READING something that doesn't fit your predetermined world, the sheeple world? At the same moment you are dismissing a whistleblower, you pigeonhole evidence of wrongdoing by your chosen leaders by positing a theory that large conspiracy theories can't remain out of sight because someone would blow the whistle. It becomes abundantly clear why American freedoms are in such disrepair--sheeple too blinded by propaganda and programming to fight their way out of a paper bag. Mr. Sheeple: Well,
show me proof that the shaped charge was indeed placed in tje 757 AA
jet that was flown into the Pentagon. Do you have statements from
people who were involved in the project, as eye witnesses involved
in placing the shaped chartge in the baggage area? Where was the
plane when the charge was placed? Was it placed in a manner that it
would not rouse suspicion to the many maintenance people who
regularly, by FAA rules, must inspect aircraft? Was it placed in a
manner that it would not rouse suspicion of baggage handlers who
climb into the baggage hold to stack bags? How would it have been
placed and then rendered "safe" to prevent premature detonation, and
then "armed" to explode at the right time? How was it set to
explode, impact detonator? Electronic? Radio control? Do you have
any correspondence such as emails etc. concerning the people
allegedly involved in setting the project up? Do you have
documentation in the form of paperwork showing that such a shaped
charge was removed from an ammo dump, or evidence to show that one
is missing? Sheeple Analyst:
H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-S-I-S: a potential answer to a problem in which an
explanation is sought to fit all the facts in evidence and is
fruitful in pointing toward areas of further investigation. Mr. Sheeple:
Several emails ago, I mentioned the British made 9-11 PBS program
that featured a man who stated he was driving by the Pentagon on
that day and saw an American Airlines plane coming down as if to
crahs. He watched it bank and head for the Pentagon and hit. He
stated that "the wings folded up like an accordian! I suppse your
rationalize that away by claiming he was one of many thousands in on
the conspiracy! Sheeple Analyst:
You
didn't take the test and you haven't responded to the rest of the
email I sent last night. It's evident by your responses how far you
manage to read before you click off. You had no excuses about
"bitter" or "challenges to you character" to get in your way. What
now is your excuse? Mr. Sheeple: Has it ever occurred to you that if Muslims have their way, in their desire to convert nonmuslims as "infidels" to the Islamic religion, it would also include you and I who have no longer have a specific religious belief? It is naive to believe that it would only apply to Christians and not atheists or others who do not adhere to any particular theological tenet. RHB http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37204 Sheeple Analyst: Now they have you running scared on the Muslim Menace? You follow the Illuminati bait, lunge and lurch. Gotcha!! Naah don't think about it. They've been around for a long time and you've never noticed they did anything unpleasant...... If you bothered to read the last line, it said "the seminar described the attitudes of a small group of fundamentalist Muslims who 'lack association with those Muslim people who live and work peacefully in this community.' " Get it? There are Muslims who believe in peace and those who believe in war. There are Christians who believe in peace and those who believe in war. There are Jews who believe in peace and those who believe in war. So who developed the Atomic Bomb? Muslims? Naah. Jews. Oppenheimer et al. So who dropped the Atomic Bombs? Muslims? Naah. Christians. Who started the wars of the twentieth century, Muslims? Naah. Christians following the dictates and manipulations of the Zionist Jews. All they are doing is getting you comfortable with a war with the Islamic world, the only major block left that preaches that the violence of fractional reserve banking is a sin, that violence of loaning at interest is a sin and is not permitted, the major block that could pull out the supports to the US Dollar and even the Eurodollar. But, hey, money and banking....that's boring. Don't pay any attention. Have fun with your trains. That'll keep your children and grandchildren safe. Ever read Brave New World by Huxley? 1984 by Orwell? You can even get videos that will show you what is going on. Or you could watch paint dry on your trains. Mr. Sheeple: Hell, no, I am not "running scared on the muslim Menace", that is your interpretation based on what you wish to believe. I just sent it to you for your information. Yes, I "got it"! I know full well that the majority of muslims promote peace but that a small group are waging the jihad, or holy war, in an effort to "muslimize" the infidel's of the West whether Christian, Jew or whatever, along with people who do not adhere to any religious belief! The idea that I am "running scared" or do not understand that it is a small group waging holy war against the "Infidels of the West" is merely a figment of your own self-righteous imagination and mentality. Sheeple Analyst: WHY would I wish to believe such a thing? I always hope that you would face life with courage and honesty. It was NOT sent JUST for my information because you added 66 words of warning. Get honest here, please. I hope you don't picture my description of scared as some cartoon character hiding under the bed: scared insofar as you are getting more and more willing to nuke the Arabs to protect yourself from the seething hordes. Don't go cartoony at that. It's just a picture of propaganda that has been used over and over in the history you don't wish to study. In WWI it was the Huns. In WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam it was the gooks, japs, slopes, chinks and rice eaters. In Afghanistan it was the towelheads and donkey eaters. And so on and on. Your 66 words were ample evidence that you have been grabbed by the propagandists. You've forgotten, or perhaps more likely, never knew that the jihad has been largely manufactured by the CIA for mass indoctrination. Until the Zionists began taking over Palestine at the turn of the twentieth century there had been relative peace in the Middle East but for the intervention, invasion, and interference of the European powers. Jews and Arabs shared the land. The Jews were a minority and very poor, but they were not at war with their neighbors. Then came the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the terrorism of the Zionist Likkud lead by Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, Shimon Peres, David ben Gurion, Golda Meir, Khazars whose ancestors had adopted Judaism and who are known by the traditional Jew as the Ashkenazim. First the British and then the UN decreed that Jews should be given more than their rightful share of Palestine even if the people of the land must be displaced, driven from their ancestral homes. The stage was set for a modern day Islamic jihad. When the CIA under Eisenhower stole Iran from the Iranian people in the early 1950's by engineering the overthrow of popular, democratically elected Mossadegh and bringing to power the murderous Shah and his Savak, the stage was set for jihad. When the CIA tricked the USSR into invading Afghanistan under Carter, they set the stage for jihad. When the Mossad tricked the Reagan Administration into bombing Libya, they set the stage for jihad. What is jihad? People defending the homeland, their families, their culture from destruction. It is a war of survival. Do you know the meaning of Sabra, Shatila, Beirut, Jenna, Nablus, intifada, the Wall, Gaza, Phalange? Describe for me what each of those words mean, please. You know only the meaning of the word "jihad" because it has been defined for you by those who wish for you to follow the path of most Americans to be cheerleaders of death and destruction. It has been so throughout our history. The "savages," "heathen devils," the "vermln" who killed settlers and trappers invading their sovereign nation, their sacred territory, often ruthlessly killing whole villages and wearing the women's pubic skins on their saddle horn were defending their land, their families, their way of life from the REAL terrorist, the white European. And these Europeans were mostly the English at first and then when the wars and conditions of Europe made life intolerable immigrants came from many countries forced to find a new life elsewhere by the corruption and insanity of the Power Elites. The life and death struggle of Native America was their jihad. The Muslim don't hate us, they hate our government and what our government has done to their land, their families, their way of life. They aren't so interested in proselytizing as are the evangelical Christians who follow in the footsteps of the US military to "win souls for Jesus." Often these "Christians" are directly involved in espionage, assets of the CIA or AID, some of them hawking for war, extolling the virtues of an American jihad, a Crusade for Christ. You are not so unique. You are not alone in your felt need to support retaliation against a manufactured enemy. You might even find great comfort in the company of the other sheeple. Sheeple love the comfort of likeminded folks who won't challenge their sense of moral outrage and vindictive reaction. This is your choice. You came here to face the choices and to discern the lie from the truth. If you are spiritually capable this time around, you might be able to stand above the lies and have the courage to speak truth to those who would try to demolish the spirit. You might have that capacity this time, but perhaps not. The self-righteous mentality of the programmed American is implicit in your 66 words. Mr. Sheeple: Huh? 66 words of warning? What in hell are you talking about? Sheeple Analyst: Now I understand why we have difficulty in communicating. You've gotten hung up after only 36 words and have no comment about the following 700. Seems to be a reading difficulty. Here are the 66 words of warning:Hell, no, I am not "running scared on the muslim Menace", that is your interpretation based on what you wish to believe. I just sent it to you for your information. Yes, I "got it"! I know full well that the majority of muslims promote peace but that a small group are waging the jihad, or holy war, in an effort to "muslimize" the infidel's of the West whether Christian, Jew or whatever, along with people who do not adhere to any religious belief! The idea that I am "running scared" or do not understand that it is a small group waging holy war against the "Infidels of the West" is merely a figment of your own self-righteous imagination and mentality. I didn't actually COUNT the words, mind you, I just copied them into a word document and clicked on "word count" and let the computer do the work. You know that trick, right? I had better end this right away because we must be getting to the edge of your limits. If you can get past your limitation, try commenting on the rest of the commentary. I don't just clip off a few glib word-bytes that are unsubstantiated by facts and principles like some of the commentators. I actually work the concepts into a reality structure and that takes more than a few words. But maybe getting so deeply involved is like watching paint dry. But then you haven't gotten to that comment yet. Mr. Sheeple: What is your hangup on 66 words? So, I do not have to use more than 66 words to express my opinion. What you consider as my "66 words of warning" are merely my comments in response to your reaction to the story Sheeple Analyst: What makes you think I am hung up on your 66 words? I've given you no evidence to make that statement. YOU asked about the 66 words and I replied. The 66 words were NOT a response to my reaction to YOUR story. Go look! It's just a short scroll down to see where this thread began. YOUR 66 words of warning about the Muslim Menace STARTED this thread. You have managed to spend a lot of energy NOT responding to the remaining 700 words of my message that actually pertain to something of value: facts, information, knowledge that respond to your 66 words of unsubstantiated opinion. Perhaps the different valuing of intellectual process is the hangup in our communication. You value unsubstantiated opinions adopted from disinformation and programming of others and I insist on substantiation, reality-checking, facts, carefully constructed syllogism, objectivity and critical thinking independent of other viewpoints. That's why I blow the whistle on politicians from ALL parties (NADER INCLUDED), military minds (oxymoron), sheeple, banks, Illuminati, pedophiles and sex slavers, propagandistic pundits of the left and right, schools and universities, media of the left and the right, establishment and alternative media, religionists and anti-religionists, the medical-pharmacological establishment, dental amalgams, agrichemical farming, soy products, aspartame, mercury, vaccinations, liars and fools.
Mr. Sheeple: I did not
"spend a lot of energy NOT responding to the remaining 700 words" of
your message because I did not even respond. I did not respond because
your diatribe, straight from your website "bible" is something I have
read and heard before on your website and past emails. I see no point in
reiteratinbg that. Sheeple Analyst: I
EXPRESSLY separated Zionists from the Jews and your lie out of your
ignorance about what I said continuous the slander about me. That can be
found repeated for your "remembery" at "Zionism vs Jews." You didn't read
what I wrote so you have the arrogance to repeat it from your legendary
ignorance. |