For most of the last year, I have been "unplugged" from a group of
guys that I had spent a truly enormous amount of time on the phone with
during the spring and summer of 2002.
I called a few of them on Friday, and in so doing, received some startling
- and quite wondrous - news.
For those that have been following my occasional rants, I, at times, have
been diverting from various timely topics, and have entered the "never
never land" of the taboo subject of LENR, also known as "Cold Fusion".
If you are too young, or merely unaware, there was a huge flap in 1989
concerning the apparent discovery by a couple of scientists in Utah, of an
utterly new and unbelievable source of energy, caused by the interaction
of certain metals and heavy (Deuterated) water.
To make a hugely complex story somewhat shorter, the reaction was very
difficult to reproduce (at the time!) and several universities had
occasional success, but most of the time, no reaction, only instrument
error.
In 1991, in order to "put an end to the controversy", President Bush the
Elder "had" MIT run the reaction, and find out what was what. A Mr.
Parker, then the head of the Fusion Studies Program (the Tokamak Torus
Reactor for the most part) and the Provost, a man named John Deutch, a
senior chemist, conspired to falsify the lab reports, and "proved" that
the reaction was just "a massive fraud". MIT went as far as to discharge
several of the scientist involved with the research, or at least hounded
them into silence.
The problem was, that a man named Eugene Mallove had a copy of the
original lab notebooks, which clearly showed that not only had the
reaction taken place, but it was as powerful as had been claimed by the
two scientists (Pons & Fleischmann) two years earlier. The report that
finally arrived on the president's desk, showed ABSOLUTELY NO REACTION. A
deliberate forgery and the most massive scientific fraud in the last
century, perhaps longer.
Here's what this fraud did to the entirety of the human race:
1) The reaction is powered from a common component of plain water. It is
very abundant and can be incredibly cheap to extract.
2) The waste product is Helium gas. And heat.
3) And best of all, NO RADIATION, unlike the nuclear mayhem of the fission
reaction, with its energetic neutron bombardment, intense and sterilizing
gamma radiation, and spontaneous nuclear transmutation (alchemy!) of
materials in the reactor construction and sheilding, most of which are
themselves radioactive and lethally poisonous. This is why the world is
nearly bursting with "nuclear waste". It isn't so much a problem with the
fuel components themselves, it's the "other stuff" that gets zapped during
the release of energy that piles up so alarmingly.
Anyways, this cold fusion HAS THE CAPABILITY to almost ELIMINATE human
needs for petrochemicals as a fuel source.
Really, really...
It is THAT good.
Had these two jokers not done this terrible thing to the whole of
humanity, in the past twelve years, I bet this country would have turned a
very important "corner" as far as international oil politics. As it stands
now, the importation of oil, and all of its military and political costs,
like fake wars in the Middle East, dead scientists, massive voter fraud,
etc, etc, etc, would be minimized, or at least be more manageable. Our
national economy is on the verge of collapse, and Oil will be the largest
contributor, aside from out and out theft and skullduggery like Enron and
the Derivatives issue.
What has been speculated upon is whether or not the first Bush
administration had made it be known to either Parker or Deutsch that they
would be rewarded for "killing" this threat to Big Oil, and the Bush
Family lifeblood.
No direct connection has yet been found. I say "yet" here, because I
suspect that things will be changing VERY soon. As far as Deutsch goes,
there isn't any good rational reason why this putz was rewarded with being
appointed as the HEAD of the CIA under Clinton. Unless he was "thrown a
bone" for something he did in the past - like killing Cold Fusion in its
infancy - on orders...
The change I believe is coming is coming in an incredibly good way... (for
a change...)
I began doing my own research into the subterranean world of these covert
scientist, hacks and tinkerers in the spring of '01. I had had NO
connection to any of them before this.
I found that quite a number of astounding phenomenon had been accidentally
discovered by most of these people, but almost NONE of them had any faith
in their own work. Nobody was REALLY talking to each other, everybody was
looking for the "pot o' gold" themselves, to not have to share any "glory"
with any other wanna-be scientists, not to mention patent rights and
potential royalties.
I haven't the time here to go into any details, but some of this work was
INCREDIBLE, stumbling onto such weird effects as coherent phonon pumping
due to the relativistic aspects of this reaction, causing not only the
generation of heat, but simultaneous cold... (Weird sh*t!) This means that
there is a potentiallity of a power source that causes NO THERMAL
POLLUTION! This is a BIG deal... Trust me...
Another phenomenon that popped up was seen by accident by these two
loveable goof balls from Texas and New Mexico. These two unlikely buddies,
one an ex-oil patch roughneck that had a series of dry wells "come in" on
him, setting him up for life, and the other one a retired College
professor that lives high on a mountainside in New Mexico, and has
littered the walls of his log cabin workshop with past successful, and
not-so-successful experiments, like the heads of big game trophies, all
hanging from nail heads driven into the logs.
These two goofs, (I'm not being derogatory here - just sort of incredulous
at the weirdness of the whole situation) were teasing a kitten with a
laser pointer, when they decided to illuminate one of their experiments
with this tiny, tiny laser.
To shorten this thing up a little, the reaction mysteriously "spiked" from
the laser light, despite reams of scientific data that "proved" that there
wasn't enough power in this laser to do much of anything, much less START
A NUCLEAR REACTION!!!!!!!
BTW, both of these dudes are named Dennis, and I shall identify them no
further, except to say that the upcoming issue of Infinite Energy Magazine
has one of them on the cover... They call each other D1 and D2, but
neither of them can keep track of which is 1 and which is 2...
Honest...
I heard about these two guys fairly early on, but NOBODY gave them any
credit, and they were both "written off" as "kooks".
I did not.
The description of the effect, in conjunction with other weird anomallies,
made something "smell" right to my sensibilities, as I had experienced
similar phenomenon in other areas of technologies.
I listened to them. REALLY listened to them. Then I started calling
around. Within a month, there was a scientist from MIT and one from
Stanford Research in Texas to see what was up.
One month later, D2 has his family station wagon, WITH A NUCLEAR REACTOR
in the back, travelling across country to San Francisco, running the
reactor OFF OF THE CIGARETTE LIGHTER, bolting from hotel to hotel,
plugging the thing in the wall over night, keeping the thing "alive" until
it could be observed in Stanford's Cold Fusion laboratory.
Surprise, surprise, but this reaction ACTUALLY WORKED. The cell would do
much of nothing until the laser was turned on, then it would take off, and
put out some serious heat for its size....
That was all last year.
In the year since, at least two different laboratories have duplicated the
results. It has been confirmed to be safe, yet nuclear in origin, and it
is stable, and QUITE powerful.
Here are some recent numbers: 60 watts of heat for a 1 centimeter square
area, a number that rivals the power from a Plutonium Fuel Pellet in a
conventional fission reactor. Once "ignition" is started by the laser, it
will continue without the laser for some period of time before it tapers
off again. Turn on the laser, poof, and the reactions starts again.
Absolutely remarkable... And clearly IMPOSSIBLE, from the conventional
understandings of science - as we know it...
Here's the good news, and what you all should be watching for in the
immediate future.
The ICCF 10 (Intl. Conference on Cold Fusion) will be held in Boston in
August. I was asked to be present and give a paper on my opinions on these
efforts, but I shall not. No money...
But if my "meddling" continues in the fashion that it has so far, with a
few incredibly lucky sucesses, I expect the past fraud at MIT will become
a politically hot topic as it so richly deserves. And there will finally
be some support for this true patriots and disgruntled
inventors/researchers/dabblers that they have so obviously earned.
The Cold Fusion effect will finally be taken seriously, and perhaps the
economy will be "right-sided", and we can begin to really clean up this
industrial mess our planet has become...
You heard it here first, folks...
The wacky Doctor Doom out in the rainforest just **might** have changed
the world.
Go figure...
Doc Doom...
http://www.syzygyjob.net/letstalk/messages/36455.shtml
Listen here to Dr. Greer on George Noory Radio Show (01-31-03)
Announcement of promising new energy device. [Windows Media Player format
- about 35 minutes]
Transcript of Program
George Noory (GN): Tonight, this hour, we're going to talk about Zero
Point Energy. Welcome, Dr. Greer. How are you today?
Steven Greer (SG): I'm fine, thank you. How are you?
GN: Good. Always a pleasure. Zero Point Energy. Is there an organization
or an individual actually working on this?
SG: Well, we are of course. I'm not so sure it's really zero point
energy. Some would say it's the quantum vacuum flux field energy. There
are a lot of people with different theories about it. But as you know, we
have formed a group called Space Energy Access Systems, which is a company
that is in the process of identifying and testing technologies, machines,
devices that claim to - put simply - put out more energy and electric
power than we have to put into it, which of course, supposedly cannot be
done, but in fact it can be. The reason I'm speaking with you tonight is
that we have apparently - and I'm going to qualify my words very carefully
here --
GN: OK SG: But it appears that we have found such a "Holy Grail"-type
device, a very serious invention held by an inventor. My scientific
advisor and the board of directors of this group - our group - have
recently done an onsite inspection and testing of this system and I can
tell you that, except for some of the extraterrestrial devices in UFOs
that I've seen, this is the most astounding material object I've ever seen
in my life.
And that's saying something.
So the reason I am speaking about this at this very early stage of its
discovery is that the millions of people listening tonight are our
protection. Those of you who are listening to this should tell everyone
they know that this is a thing coming down the path. It is our intention
to protect this system, get it tested, get it perfected, get it out to the
public and terminate the need for gas and oil and coal and start an
entirely new sustainable civilization on this planet, and that is long
overdue. It could have happened probably fifty years ago or more. But it's
now time for us to do it as a people. The people who are hearing this for
the first time need to understand that I have considered carefully whether
or not to even talk about it at this stage, but we felt for security
reasons it's very important to talk about this.
If the testing and development of this holds up, it will be the single
most important scientific breakthrough in the history - the recorded
history - of the human race, and that is not an overstatement.
Let me describe what I saw, if you have a moment.
GN: Sure, and tell me how big it is, Steven.
SG: It's not very big at all! I picked it up - you can pick it up with
one hand. Took it out actually on a sidewalk. This device gathered, very
passively, less than one watt of power from the environment - I won't say
how it was done, I'm not allowed to at this point - and the machine
started up. It generated hundreds of watts of power in usable form,
actually running, and we were astonished to see this. We hooked this up
ourselves, so it was no mystery about it. We even selected the things to
hook up to this thing. It ran a 300-watt light bulb, a 100-watt light
bulb, a stereo and an oscillating fan with an electric motor, all at the
same time with literally no artificial manmade input of power. So, this is
of course an extraordinary scientific breakthrough. The inventor certainly
deserves to get the next Nobel prize, or the one that would be awarded
after this is fully tested by the scientific community, if indeed what we
see holds up.
Now I have to say, our criteria - those who are familiar with our search
for this, and we've been doing this for some years because we know that
they're not traveling through interstellar space using Exxon Jet-A fuel.
GN: Right!
SG: And we know that these technologies could run our planet without
pollution, without poverty, and without any more oil wars forever. So, you
know, when we began to look for this, our criteria was that the inventor
had to be sane and rational enough to allow it to be transparently vetted
or tested, and in fact, this person was exactly that kind of very
brilliant, humble, realistic man who allowed us to transparently see this
device - look at it in its entirety. There were no hidden power sources.
As I said, it could be picked up and taken outside and put on the
sidewalk, and there it ran! And this is something obviously which could be
put in every home, in every car and every industry and would enable the
world to leave the era of want and war and enter an era of abundance and
peace for as long as we want to create it.
So this potentially is one of the greatest breakthroughs I've ever seen.
And one of the things I'm so grateful for is that, you know, we have heard
of these things coming and going in the time of Tesla, in the time of
Floyd Sweet, in the time of T. Henry Moray, and others, but to actually
stand in the presence of a man who could build such a circuit and see it
run. If I had to go to my grave tomorrow, at least I would know that such
a thing was possible, which shines an enormous ray of hope into the world
of humanity as we apparently march off to the next oil war.
So, I think that it's a very significant breakthrough. However, it's
preliminary. We are requiring that - we have an agreement with the
inventor to have a more robust version of this device made in the coming
month or two. It will then go through further research and development and
reproduceability studies, meaning we must be able to independently
reproduce the effects. It will then be tested in at least three
independent government and university labs which we have already
pre-selected for their honesty and cooperation, and when all those ducks
are lined up and we are certain of what we have - I'm telling you this now
in a preliminary way - it will then be massively disclosed to the world in
what has to be regarded as one of the most important scientific
announcements in our time.
GN: Very good. Is this person, Steven - if you can tell me - is he a
physicist by any chance?
SG: Um - no. Well, I guess anyone dealing with this kind of energy
would be a type of physicist, but not a formally trained physicist. This
is somebody who is what you would consider an innate genius in this area
and since childhood had a very deep, almost intuitive knowledge of
electromagnetism, electrical circuits and things of this sort.
GN: One of Albert Einstein's protégés many years ago, his name was John
Wheeler, once said about this kind of energy that in the volume of a cup
of coffee there is enough energy to evaporate all of the world's oceans.
It's that powerful and could provide that much energy to the world and if
you are able --
SG: If you can harness it, yeah.
GN: Yeah, I was just going to say, if you can harness it - my gosh, you're
going to save humanity!
SG: Well, this is why I'm talking to you. I returned from this trip,
and I wanted to be very very clear that this information got out because I
have to tell you that this is the sort of thing that people have
unfortunately in the past been absorbed into operations where these
technologies have been suppressed. People have been murdered, people have
been imprisoned, people have had these things bought out only to sit on
the black shelf at a major corporation.
GN: Mm Hmm.
SG: That is not a conspiracy theory. We can prove this in a court of
law that this has happened over and over again. And the reason that we are
moving quickly to let the world know that this exists is that the ultimate
shield against that happening is two things: Number one - my absolute
assurance that I will take a bullet before I will let this be suppressed,
and number two - that there is no amount of money, that you cannot put
enough zeros after a one, to buy us out and keep this thing from getting
out to the public. In addition to that, the public needs to understand if
anything is to happen to this prospect that is a suppressive effort, that
they should absolutely, if they have to, march in the streets to see that
it is released again. This is the time for this nonsense, where these
sorts of inventions have been suppressed and where humanity has been left
basically in a state of downward spiral of poverty and pollution and what
have you. We simply have to reverse that trend.
And of course, you're taking on a five trillion dollar global energy and
utility and transportation sector that deals with fossil fuels. But it is
really time for that era to close and for another era to open. Even as the
President said in his State of the Union address after 9-11, it is a
national security imperative that we become energy independent.
GN: Absolutely!
SG: And there's no question that the situation we're facing around the
world today and the vulnerability of so many nations is related to our
unnecessary addiction and dependence on fossil fuels - oil, coal, things
of this sort. And these technologies, which have been so long suppressed,
they're almost legendary. But I have to tell you, the other important
thing - and anyone technical listening to this will know what I'm talking
about - we have seen in the last few years a number of devices that looked
very promising, but they don't put out energy in a form that's usable.
This thing, if you can imagine as I've described it operating, put out
energy at 60 hertz, 110 volts, correct amperage, ran whatever we wanted to
plug into it and did so for as long as we left it to do so. Now this is
something which, in all my experience going all over the world studying
this, I have never witnessed anything like this!
We can see no explanation in the way of a hoax for this and the scientist
is completely without guile, honest, straightforward and it was an honor
to be with this person. I felt like I was in the presence of someone like
Tesla as I saw this person work and to see my science advisor, Dr. Ted
Loder, who is a tenured professor of science at the University of New
Hampshire, there working beside the man who very openly showed everything
and let everything be hooked up by our scientific team. It was just an
extraordinary experience and I just hope and I pray and I hope others will
be praying with us that we can be guided aright to get this out as quickly
as possible to a world that, at this virtually the twelfth hour, certainly
needs to find some way of living on this planet without cannibalizing the
Earth that sustains us.
GN: Steven, I sense this air of immediacy coming from you. Have you or has
this inventor been threatened at all about this?
SG: No, not at all, and the reason we haven't is that immediately, I
have moved this into some very high circles. I mean, you know we have in
our network - in the Disclosure Project network and in the corporate
entity, the Space Energy Access Systems, which by the way, the website for
that is www.seaspower.com . We have
access to virtually anyone of significance in the world today. I mean,
literally not six degrees of separation, not really one degree of
separation, and we are beginning to notify the correct people that such a
thing exists. It would be very very difficult, with me talking on this
show tonight and with the phone calls we've made this week, quite frankly,
for this thing to disappear. So we have not received those threats.
Remember, in 2001, we had over a hundred military and intelligence
witnesses and their testimony put out in book and video form and many of
them with top secret SDI-TK clearances, holding very sensitive
information. Not a single one of them were ever visited and told to be
quiet and the reason they haven't is because we have strategically created
security around what we're doing such that it would be extremely dangerous
for that group to do that. However, the reason I feel it very important
for the public to know this, and everyone listening needs to refer this
show to their friends - very important because I think that people need to
understand that the kinds of operations that have kept these things secret
do so only in the shadows. They cannot do it in a spotlight shining on
them. They function only like vampires in the dark shadows and in the
darkness of night. And if we put this thing out into the light and the
people understand what it's worth to the future of humanity and to our
children's children's children, the people will not let it be suppressed
again.
GN: All right, Steven. Stay with us because I want to chat with you a
little bit about how this kind of energy actually works and how soon you
think in terms of it being a reality, could get into households. I'm
George Noory. Stick with me. This is Coast to Coast A.M.
(Commercial break)
GN: Welcome back to Coast to Coast. I'm George Noory with Dr. Steven
Greer. Steven, because of your heavy involvement in really defining proof
of extraterrestrial existence, and what you know, what are the
possibilities that this individual who has invented this apparatus might
have reverse-engineered it from some source up there?
SG: Zero.
GN: OK SG: Yeah, I'm very confident that's not the case. In fact,
that's one of the criteria we have is that the pedigree, or intellectual
property pathway, has to be clean so that it can safely be brought out to
the public without the risk of it being legitimately held back by some
interests. In this case, I have high confidence that this is a clean
pedigree. And, what's more, that the technology is extraordinarily simple.
Now, of course, I guess the genius in all simple things is to understand
how to do it. And I don't pretend to know that. This is - I tell people -
I remember when I was at the Pentagon doing a briefing for the head of the
Defense Intelligence Agency I said, you know, "I'm just a country doctor
here in Virginia."
GN: (chuckles)
SG: And you know, really, I don't pretend to be a physicist or
theoretician. We have some very good people who are and who would
understand that better, but I can certainly say that this particular
inventor, I think that there is zero chance that he discovered this from
anything other than his own ability to experiment - the good old fashioned
empirical scientific method - and came up with this after many many years
of looking into it. But the astonishing thing is the relative simplicity
of it. I know that this device had to have weighed less than twenty
pounds, that it was small, no more than a foot to foot and a half in
diameter. We could see straight through it, see all the components of it,
no hidden battery or energy sources and it operated as I described it. So,
this of course meets the criteria of what we've been looking for and
wanting to get protected in our network and get it disseminated and
secured and out to the public, we hope at least in terms of it being in a
form that would be very stable and functioning and easy to use. If not
commercially available, at least something that would be disclosable and
transportable to any scientific lab. We hope to have that done in the next
few months and known by the public certainly this year and hopefully
mid-year. So again, it's hard to say. This is a very very early stage of
an important and rather rigorous process on our part, but we're going to
go with all due speed.
GN: Why would you rule out its - I don't want to say authenticity - but
its use within your organization if something did come from
extraterrestrial technologies? So what? If you can get it, and harness it,
and use it. What's wrong with that?
SG: Oh no, that would be fine, but if it has been ripped off out of a
government lab or out of a classified project....
GN: Ah, I get it!
SG: Which are the ones who are doing all that work, George. We wouldn't
want to - we really at this stage wouldn't want to deal with that.
Although, because I believe those projects are unconstitutional and
illegal, one could probably make the legal case. But it would be an
encumbered and difficult pathway and this is why we have been searching
for what I call a clean or virginal pathway for these technologies, and
indeed this is what I believe we have found. Again, I'm sharing this
information very early. Some have said that I shouldn't even be discussing
it at this stage. However, I think that for security reasons there's
safety in numbers. The thing that has had made most of these inventors
disappear and most of these efforts disappear are their obscurity. And so,
Coast to Coast A.M. is providing a very important service to humanity by
letting the people know about this.
GN: Well, when I was talking to Producer Lisa today, she said, "George,
I've talked to Steven before, but I've never heard him this immediate,
this energized, where he felt he had to say something and say it now." So
I said, "All right, let's set it up. Let's get him on!"
SG: Yeah. No, this was something that was just so astonishing and I
have to tell you that I felt like we were walking through history as we
saw this thing functioning, and the implications of it - if I can just
sort of, in a thumbnail sort of sketch, give you the implications of this.
Imagine having free energy so that you could desalinate all the water you
need to for agriculture and for returning these vast areas of the Earth
that have become desert that used to be lush, could be returned to their
original condition. Imagine being able to manufacture things with no cost
for the energy component, no fuel costs. Imagine the poverty that could be
eliminated and the disease and suffering. Most death and suffering into
the world is because basic sanitation, clean water, refrigeration, etc.,
is not available. This can change all that without building multi-billion
dollar power plants with transmission lines. Imagine civilizations that do
not have electrification now. Just like people went from having no land
line phones to having cell phones, they could go from having no power
lines to having these devices in their villages and their areas where they
could then have a growing level of prosperity and abundance. All the
studies have shown that when civilizations move into greater abundance,
and with that greater educational opportunity, that the birth rates go
down remarkably from ten or eleven per woman down to two or three. So the
Malthusian dilemma of all these teeming large populations booming areas
and poverty could be corrected. I mean the implications of this are just
enormous. In addition, we know that all manufacturing effluent is largely
related to the high cost of energy. We have had -- Buckminster Fuller and
Archibald MacLeash told me back many years ago in the early seventies,
that we already have the technologies to scrub to zero pollution all the
manufacturing processes, but they use so darn much electricity that it
became a point of diminishing return because the energy sources we were
using were polluting.
GN: Of course.
SG: So, In this case, where the energy source is clean and
non-polluting and free, you could scrub everything to completely and
virtually no pollution into the environment. So you're talking about the
ability to literally transform the way humans live on the Earth and
therefore lay a real foundation for living together peacefully and
eventually going out in space together peacefully. So --
GN: Just, just -- go ahead, Steven.
SG: Yes, I mean, so these are the sorts of implications of this kind of
breakthrough. Of course, as people say, there will be winners and losers.
Well, 99.999 % of humanity will be the winners. The Earth will be the
winner. Our children's children's children will be the winners. Now there
are people who have very key interests in the fossil fuel area and this is
not to be trivialized. But I think that our goal is to do this in a way
that would protect and empower those segments by having them have some
kind of a cushion as these technologies are phased in and the old
smokestack technologies are phased out. This can certainly be done if
we're wise about it and if the current holders of the existing
technologies are wise in allowing the transition to happen in an orderly
fashion.
GN: Tuesday, George Bush in his State of the Union address was pushing for
the use of hydrogen fuel in cars, which is something I've been jumping up
and down for, for years now. But, one of the problems today with the
hydrogen fuel is to generate the kind of electricity in order to generate
the hydrogen.
SG: That's right.
GN: And that has been a serious problem, so my two-fold question - my
question two-fold is will your zero point energy concept - would that work
directly in automobiles or could you use it to create the electricity to
make the hydrogen for the cars?
SG: Well, the answer is both. In other words, you already have two
hundred million cars on the road in America, and six hundred and some
million in the world. Those are using oil and gas. The ideal thing to do
initially - because most people are not going to yank the engine out of
their car and buy a multi-thousand dollar engine.
GN: No, they can't afford it.
SG: So what you want to do is use this free energy to have a way of
cracking the hydrogen off of water and then have that hydrogen run the
cars. I have just met with an inventor who has a fuel injector that you
can screw into where your spark plug goes and the car will run on
hydrogen! So this technology would allow that to be feasible what the
President called for. So the existing internal combustion cars and trucks
could be converted to clean burning hydrogen until such time that all the
cars that are made come out with a purely electric propulsion system that
would be running off of this generator. So I think that, you know, this
can be done. Again, we intend to get this information, when we have the
final scientific reports in a few months, to the President and to his
inner circle. We certainly can get access to that. And I think that this
would be an important thing for the National Security Council, the aspect
of it that deals with economic security and energy issues, to know about
because there's no question. I mean, whether you're on the left or the
right, or whatever, everyone acknowledges today that it is in the long
term, and even short term interest of the United States to wean ourselves
off of this addictive black gold known as oil. And I think that the sooner
that can be done, the sooner we can move on to a new and more hopeful
phase in our history.
GN: Zero Point energy results from the principals of quantum mechanics,
which has to do with the physics of subatomic phenomena. Would you explain
that for us so that most of us can understand just what we're talking
about here?
SG: Well, as I understand it, if you look at the space around us, not
outer space, just the space in the room where you're sitting. That space
and the structure of space and the actually fundamental level at which
matter and energy is fluxing out of some very potent field of energy.
That's in some type of a sort of homeostasis. And what these technologies
do is that it sort of perturbs the homeostasis enough to tap into that
baseline energy or that energy that's in the quantum vacuum, some would
call it, that's around us, that matter and energy are sort of fluxing in
and out of and can tap into it and it's almost like pulling energy out of
a reservoir of energy that's there all the time but isn't in a form that
can actually be used. What these systems do is tap into that energy and in
the case of the device that we saw, actually converts it into usable
controlled energy on demand, which was the astonishing thing. I have to
admit I have seen some other "over unity" systems where there's more
energy coming out than put in, but it was in a form that was not electric
power that was easily usable or convertible and therefore wasn't really
immediately practical and in some cases people were estimating upwards of
fifteen million dollars to get it into a form and an access form that this
brilliant inventor had in this very simple system that you could literally
pick up with one hand and carry out on a sidewalk and turn things on with.
So I think that there's such an enormous body of information on this. If
you look, there's a new almost thousand page book that Dr. Tom Bearden has
put out that's almost encyclopedic in the information on this and he sent
me a copy of it. I'm very grateful to him for that and I encourage people
to get it if they have the stomach to go through the details. But I think
that many people, as I said, Dr. Gene Mallove, Tom Valone, and many
people, have studied this and have written about the fact that this has
happened and have done sort of an ethnography of this where they've
studied where there have been a whole culture of scientists over the last
hundred years who have in fact discovered this and have invented devices
that worked like this, but they have all met some terrible fate out of, of
course, the big special interests and cartels that would like to keep us
all metered to the public utility companies and to the gas pumps and while
that's certainly understandable, it's no big surprise that people of vast
economic and power and geopolitical interests would do such things. We're
at the point now that it cannot go forward any further without
jeopardizing the entirety of the human future.
GN: How long had your inventor been working on this project?
SG: Seven years.
GN: That's not bad! That's not bad in R & D [research and development].
Did he ever explain to you why this revelation came to him? Why he decided
to do this?
SG: Well, this is an individual who has had a passion for
electromagnetism and electricity since apparently age seven. By age ten
was taking things apart and coming up with just extraordinary innovative
little inventions all on his own, as a ten year old person - child. And
now, of course, put his focus on this and also did study the - very
carefully the study of the early greats like Tesla and Faraday and Maxwell
and what have you. And in fact, apparently, between that knowledge and his
own experimentation, intuition, insight - a gift if you want to call it -
was able to devise this system. I have to say we were stunned.
I know that three of the members of our board of directors were there, and
one of them is a very successful businessman who was just completely in a
state of - stunned - because of the implications of this thing.
Because this particular businessman was telling me how he spends two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year just in electric utility bills
for his business and I went "My god in heaven! I would like to make that
much as a doctor!"
He said, "Yes, that's just my electric utility bill."
I said, "Oh my gosh. Imagine what that would do!" And this person is not
General Motors, of course, but what . efficiency it could add to our
civilization and the cost reduction it could bring to manufacturing and
the ability for each home to have its own - even micro-agricultural
greenhouse where you have a computer controlled delivery of water, heat,
and what have you, under controlled circumstances. The energy would be
free. You could, almost in any climate, have and grow organically almost
anything you would need. The rate-limiting thing to most of these
developments is the high cost of energy and the very polluting forms of
energy. If you change that equation you fundamentally change the way
humans live on Earth.
GN: Now realistically, Steven, if you had no obstacles, and you're going
to have some, but if you didn't have any, when do you think you might be
able to get something like this to market, or at least to a practical test
phase?
SG: A practical test phase - we're shooting for two to three months,
and out to then a manufacturable prototype after the test phase, perhaps a
year or so, and then after that to market. We hope that by the first
quarter or mid-2004 these can be made available. Now, of course, we don't
know what we're going to encounter and when you get into these sorts of
engineering issues you may run into all kinds of disappointments and so
I'm speculating here, but this is our intention and we intend to be able
to do that. And remember, there are many applications for this. Imagine if
you had a power up system for satellites so that you didn't have them
failing in their power or having solar panels that had micro-meteorites
damaging them, you could extend the life of satellites and save an
enormous amount of money. If you had these things, these sort of power
systems eventually could be in every appliance so that every appliance
wouldn't even need to be plugged in. Eventually you could have
construction so homes wouldn't even have wiring. Every lamp and every
appliance could have its own power source.
This thing is efficient and miniaturizable, if there is such a word
- so that you could do this and you would be able to have everything that
is made have its own power source and it would completely change the way
architecture and construction takes place. Of course the list just goes on
and on, but our goal is to be able to do this at least in a generation one
stable, usable system, certainly within a year to year and a half. I would
like to think sooner, but knowing how things happen in the world, I think
it could very well be that long or a bit longer. I would caution we don't
want to take too much longer. We are going to be very aggressively
capitalizing this, putting the funds into this, so that that can be done
and we can collapse the timeframe because, frankly, Tom Bearden and I were
discussing this one time just before we were meeting with members of,
doing a briefing for, the staff of the senate environment committee. He
said that if these new technologies don't begin to roll off of the
conveyor belt like sausages by the first quarter, or some time around
that, of 2004, given the fact that the biosphere is being so strained,
given the geopolitical tensions, we may simply just be out of time. So, I
think it's a stroke before midnight and we really need to make this
project succeed. I hope that this technology holds up to the scrutiny. I
can't say that at this point. I can say that the onsite testing was
extremely promising and I'm hopeful that it will hold up to
reproduceability studies and to the scientific analysis that are required
in our society and which our team requires, so that will be done in the
next few months and we will hope for the best.
GN: All right. And you're still going to continue to follow up with your
Disclosure Project, I'm sure.
SG: Yes, this is the first part of it and in fact this is one of the
big disclosures. Remember, UFOs are secret not because people are so
afraid so much of extraterrestrials but because UFOs themselves are
running off of energy and propulsion systems that would replace the need
for oil and gas. So, the secrecy has been mostly out of greed, not out of
a security.
GN: Very good. Thanks Steven. Keep us in touch! Dr. Steven Greer. Just go
to my website and link up to his. Or go to either of Dr. Greer's two
websites:
www.disclosureproject.org and
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